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A big theme of the journey through Kiva has centered around the decision of organizational type. Jess and I started out right away thinking it would be formed as a nonprofit. One of the first things she did was to look for an attorney to incorporate us as a 501c3. It took over a year from start to finish to get 501c3 status and it was a serious pain.

This summer was kind of rough in this regard. It was taking forever to hear back from the IRS. We sent a letter to them to expedite the process but didn't hear back for months. Kiva was crawling along at $1-$2K in loans and 25 new users a day. We weren't making traction very fast.

There are a lot of debates in social entrepreneurship around the topic of whether to become a 501c3 or become a for-profit. It's my impression that prevailing winds within the field suggest the for-profit model whenever possible. "It's hard to scale a non-profit" , I would hear a lot. Or, "you can access so much more capital" if you convert to a for-profit model.

That was just my experience with people in the social sector. However, It contrasts sharply with what I heard from the financiers of the tech world, Premal and I spent a fair amount of time in the offices of Sand Hill Road...especially last summer. In general, the VCs we talked to wanted to consider ideas that had a decent shot at a 10x return on their investment. When we ran models of trying to eke a 10x return out of Kiva's model, it never felt quite right.

We also briefly looked for "patient capital" investors but turned up very little. There just not a lot of that patient capital out there knocking down doors. This new, but limited, class of investment is arguably harder to access than donations.

I've had the luxury of working closely with three experienced angel investors on the board. This fall I was at a breaking point. At our October board meeting, we were down to $15K in cash reserves with a monthly burn rate of about $15K. Fundraising was getting pretty urgent and wasn't sure if we could hit payroll. I ran the for-profit idea past the investors . Unanimously, the board shot down the for-profit idea. One board member asked us to call him if we were about to hit zero so he could liquidate some of his assets.

Right after that, the Frontline PBS show happened. Combined with a new model around optional lender fees, we became cash-flow positive the next month. We now have much more predictable income and are financially stable. We never had to call for a liquidity event.

I'm not religiously tied to the nonprofit structure. It's working for us now, and has several advantages. Prominent among these is user good will and branding. I consider Kiva to be a public property owned by it's users. This feel would be harder, but not impossible, to pull off if we were a for-profit. There is a level of trust we gain as a nonprofit that would be harder to gain as a for-profit. Equally important are variable cost savings because of donated services. Right now, PayPal has donated free transaction processing to us, which means we aren't charged the usual 3% off of every transaction. Our model would be much more difficult to pull off without PayPal's partnership.

For anyone deciding between the two, my main thought is to be fiercely practical -- not religious -- about the org type you choose. These are tax-structures, not religions, you are choosing between. Each can be maximized in it's own way if you just focus on getting work done.

Relative merits of not and for-profit structure

Posted by Susan Herr at May 11, 2009 09:01 AM

I am assuming that Steve Case and Richard Branson don't face this 10x return equation with the new social enterprises they are developing. Does this equation only come into play if you require venture capital? Is there a caste system at the cross-sectoral crossroads that folks aren't really talking about?

Blogging you, your humility and passion, at PhilanthroMedia.org which promotes "dialog for discerning donors" in partnership with Community Foundations of America (soon syndicated to 50+ community foundations.) Although I am sure you are way too busy to keep it up, your blog rocks and Tinsel Town will be calling you soon!

Non-profit status and perception

Posted by Upasana Taku at May 11, 2009 09:01 AM

Hey Matt At a Stanford mixer today we had an extended discussion over Kiva. I was surpised to find that the popular opinion is that since Kiva is a non-profit it will eventually limit its scalability and therefore impact. While I dont subscribe to that line of thinking I wonder about 2 things: - apparently a larger % of the population in richer economies values capitalism which means a lower % of people believe in charitable giving or lending at minimal ROI. how will that play out in the long term for kiva because at some point the # of people willing to lend for a feel-good need will dry out? - you have mentioned that u r pretty flexible about the tax status of the company. that being the case if u ever do switch to for profit mode how will u adjust public expectations and image? do u foresee losing ur early adopters aka feel good lenders to a larger population of lenders seeking risk adjusted lending opportunities?

offering our shoulders

Posted by nubra elaine floyd at May 11, 2009 09:01 AM

Tax Status revisited: For us there was never any discussion about “for profit” versus “not for profit” but attending a workshop held at Community Foundation of Santa Clara’s United Neighborhoods Conference did help clarify the difference between a mutual benefit association and a tax exempt public charity. One of the other participants was from a local Black sorority that planned to set up a scholarship that would primarily be for their member’s children, which got us thinking about why we might want our efforts to be more directed toward serving the general public. We had decided when we first got together in Fall of 2000 that the primary purpose(s) for our organization would be to promote African cultural awareness and an informed appreciation of the Black heritage experience. By the time we were formally recognized as a California nonprofit in Spring of 2003, we were also committed to developing a program of community based educational activities that encouraged positive identity development for African heritage youth.