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by Social Edge last modified 2007-07-06 08:52

Hosted by Charles "Hipbone" Cameron (October 2006)

What's your story? What’s your need?

One powerful purpose of Social Edge as a community (in addition to being a place to find resources) is to provide people in the field with contacts who may face similar problems in geographically distant regions or with very different resources for problem solving -- to get exchanges of information going between participants that are fruitful in real-world application.

Is this going on? Have you made a contact through Social Edge that has enabled you to deal with an otherwise intractable problem? Do you have a problem in search of advice on the Social Edge network?

Charles "Hipbone" Cameron notes that stories of successful networking achieved through the SE community are "proof of concept" for the work we do here -- and also exhilarating inspirations for what more we can accomplish.

What's your story?

What’s your need?

Jump in the conversation.



Tio - Oct 17, 2006 2:45 pm (# Total: 64)

nice beign here, hope to network with folks alike for positive change



Tio - Oct 17, 2006 2:48 pm (# Total: 64)

i have really had a website managed and supported by people of good will, my challenge is to make this non profit site attractive to donors, how? www.ayftafrica.ca



brownbag - Oct 17, 2006 2:49 pm (# Total: 64)
You Can Make a Difference!

Catalyst for Community Based Solutions

Brown Bagging for Calgary's Kids is a local organization that provides 1000 nutritious lunches a day for kids in school that would otherwise do without. Research shows that there are 30,000 kids attending school without adequate nutrition so we are just tipping the iceberg. Our mission is two-fold to mitigate hunger and act as a catalyst to community based solutions. We have had some success seeing parents, commmunities and grassroots organizations take up the challenge and we are able to act as a resource (both financial and advisory) but we still encounter resistance. The main stumbling block is the absence of 'the' model. Most stakeholders want us to offer them a perfect solution while we are determined to assist them in finding the most appropriate response that works for their community. Any suggestions?


Tio - Oct 17, 2006 3:17 pm (# Total: 64)

Calgary's Kids

Hey Brown, am wondering if by law, these kids are supposed to be fed in school, that's my understanding in theory within the candain law, can you move beyound the stakeholders to involving private sectors?

Tio

 



scottbeale50 - Oct 17, 2006 3:54 pm (# Total: 64)
Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

Launching an international social venture

Briefly, my story and my need.

My story.  My name is Scott Beale and I recently left a secure and exciting job with the US State Department doing human rights work in India to start a new international nonprofit (Atlas Service Corps) that will bring rising nonprofit leaders from the developing world to volunteer for one year in the US.  This unique approach to international service provides an outstanding professional development opportunity to rising overseas nonprofit leaders, builds capacity among US nonprofit organizations and creates avenues for international cooperation.  Further, it is a sustainable, scalable program since US nonprofit organizations pay about 50% of the expenses to host a Fellow (about $16,000).

My need.  I want people to check out http://www.atlascorps.org - I am looking for host organizations in Washington, DC; feedback from thought leaders on the idea and of course, resources.  This is a revolutionary new approach that values the contributes of leaders from the global south and completes the important circle of service that the 300+ organizations like the Peace Corps have done for 45 years sending Americans overseas to volunteer.

Thanks for your interest, I look forward to reading other people's posts.

Sincerely, Scott Beale - www.atlascorps.org - scott@atlascorps.org



Tio - Oct 17, 2006 4:07 pm (# Total: 64)

Launching an international social venture

Hi Scot, absolutely good idea, but i think there are many similar programmes in the USA, my concern is what makes it really 'unique' could that be the strategy...? think about it.  may be shifting to Canada - Toronto could be an alternative...


kmniazi - Oct 18, 2006 12:38 am (# Total: 64)
Development Professional

International Social Venture

Scott,

I agree with the idea, and as a Third Sector Professional in the developing world, it would be a great opportunity for people like me.

However, do have some queries, how do you make sure that the people, you get are working at grass roots level and how do you ensure that the same people are not invited again & again & again by different organizations.

Another thing, the cost is around 16 K. do you expect the fellow to pay the rest, which might be difficult for people with adverse exchange rates compared to dollars. 8,000 US $ is about 480,000 PKR, which is big amount.

I dont know about other organizations, which offer the same opportunity, so cant comment on Tios post.

anyway, best of luck and thanks for starting this venture


scottbeale50 - Oct 18, 2006 4:47 am (# Total: 64)
Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

Thanks Tio and Kmniazi

Let me briefly answer some of your questions and strongly encourage you all to check out www.atlascorps.org - I have my entire business plan online and a lot more info.

Tio - Uniqueness.  My research indicates that there are no other organizations in the US bringing mid career nonprofit professionals to the US to volunteer for one year at likeminded US nonprofits to learn best practices as well as share their perspectives..  There are academic programs that teach Fellows, short-term government programs, even business and religious programs.  But none in the nonprofit sector like what I am doing.  Online I outline the uniqueness and compare Atlas Corps to similiar organizations: http://www.atlascorps.org/competition.html  However, if people know of similiar programs, please check out that site and then let me know if there is something out there I have not thought of.

Kmniazi - Quality & Price. I will ensure a high quality of people working at the grassroots through a nominator network, similiar to where I used to work - Ashoka - that will guarentee outstanding candidates.  In addition, the J-1 visa and program requirements mandate that Fellows return back to their home country for at least two years before coming back to the US.  With regard to the price, the program costs me $36,000.  $16K is covered by the partner and I need to raise about $20K more for each person.  The Fellow will not be responsible for living expenses, they will receive a small but sufficient living stipend, like a Peace Corps or AmeriCorps volunteer.  They will also get their travel paid, health care, etc.

Thanks for the kind words and the interest. I welcome all feedback and encourage people to check out www.atlascorps.org and to email me at scott@atlascorps.org

I am piloting this program with nonprofit leaders from India and Colombia going to nonprofit organizations in DC and DE, so I could use leads in those areas and generally want feedback from everyone.

Take care, Scott Beale



Cgasca - Oct 18, 2006 8:17 am (# Total: 64)
Social Entreprenuer

Calgary Kid's

Maybe the question is not really what do the stakeholders want, maybe the question is how do you feed 30,000 kids with brown bag lunches? Think about it, how would you do it? Don't limit yourself to only nonprofit views, think about how the system would operate and how much capital could be required. There is probably more than one way to accomplish this succesfully,which could give you some models to offer stakeholders.

Once you have a few concepts down, ask yourself, can this model and its assets also generate an income? Maybe not, maybe it could work but you may not want to do it. However, from the analysis you will have pretty good idea of what to ask for, then you will need to focus on finding the prospects who could support you, including new stakeholders. After all the goal is to feed 30,000 kids not just enough to make the stakeholders and funders feel happy. Good luck! Carlos


Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 18, 2006 10:11 am (# Total: 64)
HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

Getting off to a good start...

I’m very glad to see this topic stirring so much interest so fast.

Tio, welcome, and thanks for your various posts. If you have a website you want us to visit, it’s best to give the full URL: -- in your case, http://www.ayftafrica.ca. That way, we can click through without the extra step of reconstituting the URL in our browsers.

Brownbag, thanks for posting here. Your comment that:
    Most stakeholders want us to offer them a perfect solution while we are determined to assist them in finding the most appropriate response that works for their community
is a telling one, and Carlos’ response:
    There is probably more than one way to accomplish this successfully
just reinforces it from my POV. As I read your post, you are as interested in generating community thought and proactivity (essentially an educational effort) as you are in feeding the kids – a bit of a "don’t just give them a fish, teach them to fish" philosophy. Having two ideals to aim for can be tricky, for obvious reasons, but as the fish aphorism indicates, it may also be the stronger response to situations in the long haul.

Scott, when I read your posts, I too wondered whether there were other efforts along similar lines. Avoiding duplication of effort is a worthy goal, doing due diligence to avoid it is important – although two attempts at the same goal may in fact generate variety of means, and serve the goal in that way.

I’m glad, therefore, that Tio brought the question of uniqueness up, and that you responded to that issue in more detail in your second post. I also appreciate Kmniazi’s question (and interest in your program) and your response. Could you imagine a subset of your program providing scholarships for all or part of the cost to volunteers?

And what did your experience at Ashoka do to influence your planning here? Can you expand on that side of the story for us?



  • While we’re looking at ways in which the posters here can network with each other of with other readers, let’s not lose sight of the idea of "proof of concept", and the search for stories of successful networkings that have already happened -- triggered or spurred on by posts and articles here on the Edge.

    Keep on posting!

    -- Charles


  • scottbeale50 - Oct 18, 2006 10:48 am (# Total: 64)
    Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

    Ashoka's influence on me (and Atlas Corps)

    Thanks Charles,

    An important part of my story is the almost three years I worked at Youth Venture, essentially the youth wing of Ashoka: Innovators for the Public.  While at Ashoka I learned so much from Bill Drayton and the dynamic team they have about social entrepreneurship, innovation, sustainability and scalability.  Their unending emphasis on these principles and the opportunity to interact with Fellows who put those principles to use have shaped my own path as a social entrepreneur and how I have shaped Atlas Corps.  In fact, I'm honored to share that Bill Drayton and David Bornstein both agreed to be on my Senior Advisory Board.

    To answer your other question about whether I think that I can eventually cover 100% of the Fellows expenses through the host organization cost share, the answer is yes.  In my opinion, these Fellows are worth $50K+, they are the best of the best, sharing their perspectives at an organization.  In the beginning the $16,000 cost share covers 40% of the cost, but over 10 years I think I can increase this to $28,000, and with economies of scale, have this cover 100% of the program expense.  This revenue stream allows Atlas Corps to expand all over the world and be completely sustainable.  More on this here: http://www.atlascorps.org/on_sustainability.html

    Oh, now that I re-read your question, I think you misunderstood my post.  There is no cost to the volunteers, they are giving their time.  The cost is to the US Host Organizations (US nonprofits) who are gaining the Fellow for a year. Similiar to how most US nonprofits cost-share AmeriCorps VISTAs.

    Thanks! Scott Beale, http://www.atlascorps.org



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 18, 2006 11:26 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [Scott] Ashoka's influence on me (and Atlas Corps)

    Hi Scott,

    -- and thanks for your prompt response. One of the wonders of this medium, I find, is the possibility of talking with others in near real time, and I'd love to see the excitement that our almost conversational speed of interaction can generate building closer bonds of cooperation between us here on the Edge.

    I had indeed mis-read your post, and I think Kamran [kmniazi] may have been puzzled by it too. I thank you for the clarification.
      I'm honored to share that Bill Drayton and David Bornstein both agreed to be on my Senior Advisory Board.
    Congratulations! That, right there, says a great deal about your venture. I don't believe either one of them would be willing to endorse an effort which didn't seem to them to meet an unmet need, and they must be among the most knowledgeable in terms of what's being done to build the kind of global "circle of service" you are aiming for.


    tutormentor - Oct 18, 2006 2:25 pm (# Total: 64)
    Cabrini Connections Tutor/Mentor Connection

    Connecting those who can help with those who need help

    Charles, thanks for hosting this discussion

    My Story: I have led the Tutor/Mentor Connection since 1993 and a volunteer-based tutor/mentor program since 1974. The goal is to connect workplace volunteers with inner city kids in structured programs that offer a wide range of learning and enrichment as part of an effort to help kids move to jobs and careers. I host a variety of forums that enable people to connect with each others, and with ideas that they can use. My aim in participating in Social Edge is to find others who share the same goal, and who will work together to increase the involvement of business, and business resources in helping kids from poverty neighborhoods in many cities be part of structured, long-term programs.

    Value of Social Edge: I've been invited to host two discussion on Social Edge this year and hope to do more in the future. On Nov. 30 I'm hosting a one day event in Chicago, which I describe at http://www.tutormentorconference.bigstep.com/. If any readers can participate either by coming to Chicago, or by hosting on-line disucssions in December, or by helping me find others who can participate, I'd like to hear from you.

    You can read more about my efforts at http://tutormentor.blogspot.com/



    kmniazi - Oct 19, 2006 12:03 am (# Total: 64)
    Development Professional

    Connecting People in Pakistan

    Scott, Thanks for the quick response and the clarification.

    Two comments: 1. The same people are nominated by organizations. Connections matter in this place and you might get people, who are not that competent but know the right people. This is bad for the host organization and bad for the country. I am interested in this issue, as right now, am working with consultants and dont want to use some of the people, who are recommended to me. I know there are great people out there, but cant get in touch with them.

    2. Ask your volunteers to donate some thing (their time / skills / perspective). Dont limit them to the host organization (you would not think bad of a American, who does volunteer work after his job ends, so why shouldn't these guys). they should also work with some local non-profit, which cannot afford to host people or do community work or have interactive discussions with the general community. These people cannot give you money, but they should give something, no free lunches in this world, especially non-profit.

    Kamran


    kmniazi - Oct 19, 2006 12:16 am (# Total: 64)
    Development Professional

    Have I Met Anyone through SE - the Answer is No

    To be honest, I have been a very dormant member of the community. The major reason is internet connectivity and minor is I prefer emails, as they allow me to keep up with events. The lists have been better at generating contacts (been a member of some for years) and managed to generate contacts through there.

    SE is a bit difficult for me (to be very honest, I didn't try hard enough) as I have limited time. Generating interest/ participation among people is an issue facing all online communities (run my own groups / trained as a online & offline facilitator, so know about it).

    I would call my experience a failure for myself as well as SE. Both of us have not managed to take full advantage of the possibilities. Please do not take this as too harsh criticism, I believe in this concept, but there is always room for improvement. Any ideas, about how I can take full advantage of SE and contribute to SE in a meaningful way.


    scottbeale50 - Oct 19, 2006 8:01 am (# Total: 64)
    Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

    Connecting with People

    Thanks Kmniazi,

    Regarding how we will find Atlas Corps Fellows.  In the beginning we will rely on a nomination process because it is starting as a small program and we have limited resources and reach.  Further, we have associations with Ashoka, USAID, the US Embassy and other networks of NGO leaders in Colombia and India.  We wont reach everyone, but we will reach a lot.  Over time we will open up the application process.

    And regarding asking the Fellows to volunteer - absolutely.  They will be volunteering their time at the Host Organization, and they will also be spending time studying best practices in the US.  In addition, they will be asked to do a team service project and get involved in the community.

    Finally, regarding connecting with people on SE.  I am pretty new to SE, find some conversations better than others. I am here to get feedback on my idea and hope to meet people in the process.  We'll see ...

    Thanks,

    Scott Beale - scott@atlascorps.org - http://www.atlascorps.org  



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 19, 2006 8:59 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [Scott] Connecting with People

    Hi Scott:

    I have a mild concern which has floated across my mind a couple of ntimes and maybe deserves a mention -- how strong does an organization have to be, for it to be able to "lose" one of its best for a year to a program like the one you propose? I imagine you've thought this through, so I'm asking more to see if there's something for us all to learn here than to prod you on a point I'm sure you've considered at length...


    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 19, 2006 9:14 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re [kmniazi] Have I Met Anyone through SE - the Answer is No

    Hi, Kamran:

    I much appreciate your candor in responding to my question about connections made here on SocialEdge -- I think its gives us a really fine opportunity to open up the issue of how to gain the greatest benefit from, and bring the most fruitful gifts to, an online community such as SocialEdge.
      Generating interest / participation among people is an issue facing all online communities
      Any ideas, about how I can take full advantage of SE and contribute to SE in a meaningful way?
    You're going right to the heart of my own passion wrt SocialEdge here,. and I do indeed have ideas about online community with implications for our experiences here in SE -- but they're all rushing into my head at once, and will need time to disentangle and post. So this is mainly to thank you again for your honest response, with a promise to tackle the issues you raise in a post or posts that may take me a little while to write...

    I'd be delighted if anyone else would care to chime in in the meanwhile...


    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 19, 2006 10:17 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [tutormentor] Connecting those who can help with those who need help

    Dan:

    Thanks yet again for posting to SocialEdge. [I should probably explain that Dan and I go back a ways, and have found common interests in a series of conversations across several different SocialEdge online events – and that’s part of the point, isn’t it? That repeated exposure to another person of goodwill leads to a personal connection that in turn allows one to dig further into the needs and resources of the other party, thereby strengthening, broadening and even (gasp) deepening the level of communication and networking that’s possible?]

    • My aim in participating in Social Edge is to find others who share the same goal, and who will work together to increase the involvement of business, and business resources in helping kids from poverty neighborhoods in many cities be part of structured, long-term programs.
    One of the central possibilities of our membership here in SocialEdge, it seems to me, is to facilitate exactly this kind of networking.

    Dan has spent a considerable amount of time working through the issues that arise when working on a specific problem in a specific geographical area, and as a result has an understanding of certain “best practices” that might take another social entrepreneur some time to stumble across. In particular, he has figured out ways to use local maps (and web-based mapping technologies) to distinguish areas of need from well served areas within a given location such as Chicago.

    I’m sure there are a number of social enterprises represented on these boards which could benefit greatly from some of Dan’s techniques, and hope his post – and these few words of mine – will encourage others to visit the TutorMentor site and explore them.

    There’s more to Dan’s work than these techniques, of course, and I hope those who share his focus on tutoring / mentoring will take special note of his site, and that his request for support for his November event and follow-up discussions will also generate interest and networking activity.

    Regards,

    Charles


  • scottbeale50 - Oct 19, 2006 10:26 am (# Total: 64)
    Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

    (Charles) Strength of Developing World Orgs ...

    Good question - "how strong does an organization have to be, for it to be able to "lose" one of its best for a year"

    Atlas Corps is recruiting rising leaders who have 4-8 years of experience, ideally mid career professionals, #2s or #3s in an organization.  We do not want to take Executive Directors and we do not want to take recent students either.  We want people who when they leave the organziation will not fall apart (e.g. Exec. Dir) but have been around long enough they have a lot to share too.

    It may be the case that when these rising leaders come to the US they need to leave their jobs and be replaced by someone else.  That is ok, the Fellow will know this in advance and get a financial award when they return home to help with the transition to a new job.  Larger organizations may be able to hold positions open, smaller organizations will not.

    The key point is that while these fellows will miss one of year of service to their country they will come back 20%, 30% of 50% better at what they do (although this is difficult to measure, we will try).  So, after 2, 3 or 5 years they will have made up for lost time and be able to spread their knowledge to others.

    This aspect of the model was developed by NGO leaders in India who thought the benefits of the program far outweighed the logistical, short term challenges.

    Thanks! Scott http://www.atlascorps.org - scott@atlascorps.org



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 19, 2006 11:38 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [Scott] Strength of Developing World Orgs...

    Hi Scott:

    I’d like to probe this a little more with you, if I may.
      Atlas Corps is recruiting rising leaders who have 4-8 years of experience, ideally mid career professionals, #2s or #3s in an organization. We do not want to take Executive Directors and we do not want to take recent students either. We want people who when they leave the organziation will not fall apart (e.g. Exec. Dir) but have been around long enough they have a lot to share too.
    It seems to me that these criteria will net you a group of “early adopters” rather than “originators” – perhaps even the people who stand behind a visionary and make sure the details that slip by him or her are caught and dealt with. So that one of your considerations might be to avoid taking out a #2 person who serves as the “enabler” (no negative connotation intended) of the visionary originator of a project.

    I personally think that visionaries are the key to social entrepreneurship, in the sense that doubling the number of Yunus-type innovators doubles the number of fields of social success in which any number of others may follow, whereas doubling the number of skilled executors of their ideas has a significantly less powerful impact – and I say this, fully knowing how wonderful such “executive officer” types can be.

    Perhaps (again, this is my personal and somewhat contrarian POV you understand) some of your ideal targets might be visionaries who have reached that point where the detail work that remains is best left to others, where they should be turning their attention to new fields and new problems, generating new visions and new possibilities rather than getting bogged down in the day to day aspects of visions they’ve already articulated…

    Hope this helps! -- Charles


    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 19, 2006 11:52 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [Scott] Strength of Developing World Orgs...

    And then there's the vexed business of quantifying the qualitative... something which you have obviously considered, since you mention it in your post when you say:
      they will come back 20%, 30% of 50% better at what they do (although this is difficult to measure, we will try)
    Yes, this is a very tricky business -- made even more problematic by the fact that if you misjudge the impact of removing a key person and an entire (small) orhganization fails, that needs to be included in your overall measurement too...

    The consequences of your successes are liable to be more apparent than those of your failures, in other words, but your overall impact will be the product of both.



  • Speaking more generally, (ie not to your in particular, Scott, though I'd value your comments on all this)...

    On the whole business of qualitative vs quantitative approaches to value and significance, I'm always reminded of the quote Einstein kept on his wall at Princeton:
      Not everything that counts can be counted; not everything that can be counted counts
    I wouldn't worry about this so much if we were better able to balance the two kinds of valuation -- but I'm afraid we tend to discount whatever can't be counted, and miss a lot that is of great human singificance in the process.

    Maybe I should put that more forcefully:
      in my view, social entrepreneurs are the natural standard-bearers for the often overlooked qualitative aspect of the world we live in -- after all, we're the ones who seek to add human importance into otherwise impersonal "bottom-line" thinking -- and should therefore make a greater than usual effort to ensure qualitative factors are not ignored in their decision-making.
    Unfortunately, from this point of view, all the benefits that can accrue to social projects by observing business best practices, measuring ROI and so on, can easily be cancelled out by the loss of intangibles and immeasurables...

    Jim Fruchterman 's "Return on Humanity" (ROH) is a brilliant phrase, and one that I hope will echo far beyond the realms of Benetech -- let's make sure we don't assimilate it so closely to ROI that the qualitative gets lost in the process...


  • brownbag - Oct 19, 2006 12:13 pm (# Total: 64)
    You Can Make a Difference!

    Thanks Carlos,

    We could raise the $1.2 Million/year and design systems(assembly,delivery) to produce and deliver 30,000/day but we believe that we would be perpetuating the problem of child hunger. It isn't about feeding 30,000 kids through an agency lunch program - it is about changing attitudes around the issue and raising community-based solutions to the problem.In Calgary it is wrong that there are starving children in Sudan but it is bad that kids in Calgary are hungry. We need to raise awareness about this situation and that it is wrong. It is the small thinking of service provision without solutions that ends up managing issues and everytime we manage an issue (hunger, homelessness, health ...) we disempower, create dependence and entitlment and unfortunately support an organizational focus ( where the organization must survive). Harsh as it sounds, I am willing to not feed every child to ensure that in the future hungry children won't exist.



    kmniazi - Oct 19, 2006 9:59 pm (# Total: 64)
    Development Professional

    Contacting People

    Scott,

    I like Ashoka, in fact want to work for them. they are great.

    USAID, US Embassy, I am not too sure. See, while they pay / spend a lot of money, their outreach in limited, at least according to my experience.

    You might want to check out www.aidworkers.net, especially their advisory panel. there you would find people, who are working in the field all over the world.

    Regards

    PS my first name is Kamran, kmniazi is nick


    kmniazi - Oct 19, 2006 10:27 pm (# Total: 64)
    Development Professional

    Candor about Issues

    Charles,

    If we are not candid, then what is the use of opinion provided. We come here to share our ideas and ask people for their inputs, so that OUR concepts become clearer and we find solutions to potential problems.

    Question is, how do we encourage candid opinions in an online world? you dont express candid opinions in the offline world, unless you have learned to trust people.


    scottbeale50 - Oct 20, 2006 5:13 am (# Total: 64)
    Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

    Atlas Corps ...

    Kamran - Thanks for the feedback, I will check out www.aidworkers.net. I think the US Embassy has a pretty extensive network in India, but it is larger in some countries than others.

    Charles - I appreciate your feedback on ideal candidates and I like the concept of "Return on Humanity" very much.  Since this is our innaugural year we are going to take great care in finding the perfect candidates and I am sure we will learn a lot in the process.

    Take care,

    Scott Beale / http://www.atlascorps.org / scott@atlascorps.org



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 20, 2006 8:37 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [brownbag] You Can Make a Difference!

    Hello again:

    I’m impressed and delighted when people set themselves the goal of fostering understanding and participation, just as I am when people attend to immediate, urgent needs. Both are important, although I don’t think we (as individuals, as a society) have a very clear idea of how to choose which approach to take – it seems to be something that just happens the way it happens.
      We believe that we would be perpetuating the problem of child hunger
      It isn't about feeding 30,000 kids through an agency lunch program - it is about changing attitudes
    So you’re very much in line with the “teach them to fish” philosophy, if I’m reading you right.
      Harsh as it sounds, I am willing to not feed every child to ensure that in the future hungry children won't exist.
    Stated that bluntly, it’s a terrible paradox, isn’t it? And yet we do what we can, where we can…


    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 20, 2006 8:39 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    [ClaraJ]

    Hi Clara --

    And thanks for your note of support! I'd like to invite you to join the conversation here, convey some of your enthusiasm and ideas...


    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 20, 2006 9:23 am (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    [Kamran, Scott, all...

    Hi Kamran, Scott --

    One small URL for Scott, I'm tempted to say, one giant leap for...

    That's the thing, isn't it? The particular URL that Kamran posted in response to Scott's story, and that Scott said he'd check into, may or may not prove to be a giant boost to Scott's Atlas Corps project, but it's the seed of trust...

    Kamran, you yourself asked,
      how do we encourage candid opinions in an online world? you dont express candid opinions in the offline world, unless you have learned to trust people.
    I think that trust is built incrementally, by many small acts of mutual assistance (assuming that reputation doesn’t already supply it, as it may in the case of known wonder-workers in the social-entrepreneurial field).



  • It seems to me that SocialEdge can be of service to us in two ways. It can serve as a reference resource, a place like a library that we go to to find out specific information that we are looking for -- and it can serve as a friendship net -- and I use that phrase to cover the same territory as community, but in a manner that makes the combination of goodwill and networking explicit, with perhaps a hint that community can also be a safety net in time of trouble…

    What interests me about these two possibilities is that they involve different patterns of browsing, different ways of using the internet. And the implication here is that to move from resource to network mode involves a change of style, and thus a choice to make the move.

    Those who come to SE as a resource when they have a question in mind and are looking for answers can use various navigational tools – the resources tab, SE’s search window, the various indexes of different sections of the site – to zero in on the info they’re looking for. But that involves coming to SE when you already have a question, searching, finding (hopefully), and departing satisfied once the relevant info has been gained. Perhaps one thing leads to another, and you find out some other useful information, or note down a contact or two… But basically, this process creates relatively little appreciation, relatively little sensed of community.

    SocialEdge serves this function very well, I believe, and it’s an important one – if a thousand people can get a thousand answers more quickly here than elsewhere, that in itself is a great good – and it’s one of the goods that’s also timely, a matter of keen importance to those whose time is short, their day long, and their target of authentic human significance!

    Treating SE as though it’s a kind home on the net, on the other hand, is a slower process, and one that we may therefore skip simply because there’s so much to do, so little time… If there were 36 hours in the day, we’d spend more time on SocialEdge, but…

    But look, this pattern of use builds an astonishing human resource far better than the other, quick-dip mode of information seeking does. It bonds us. It grows our trust. It carries the seeds of friendship, and of collaboration.

    I’m inviting those of you who read this message to move along the axis from resource to participant use of SocialEdge (it's no coincidence that another of Jeff Skoll's projects is called Participant Productions).

    One small URL found by searching the site isn’t quite as “personal” as one small quote found by saying something that catches another human’s interest and leads to a suggestion. A friendly response that shows appreciation of another’s work and quandaries establishes just the merest hint of goodwill, and thus of trust. And the thing works like a watercolor, layer upon layer of very slight coloration building into a rich and multilayered image of a gathering of friends, each concerned with social issues, each bringing their own skills to the table and drawing on the skills of others.



  • Kamran, you said a while back:
      Generating interest / participation among people is an issue facing all online communities
    And asked,
      Any ideas, about how I can take full advantage of SE and contribute to SE in a meaningful way?
    I didn’t respond directly at the time, but promised I’d begin to. This post is that beginning.

    My sense is that if we start thinking of SE as a home, and visit it pretty automatically when we go online, dropping a few words into the conversation in a friendly manner and beginning to get a sense of who else is on the boards, where they’re coming from, where their passions lie, etc -- if, in short, we begin talking to one another, and take the time to do so in a way that includes personality as well as information -- we’ll be keeping the resource full of interesting and useful bits of information, but we’ll also be enriching the community aspect – we’ll be building the trust that can lead to appreciation, which in turn can open up networking possibilities that can empower us far more than a simple library or database.

    And yes, friendship.

    All of that is what I’m after here, that’s what I’d like to encourage…


  • kmniazi - Oct 20, 2006 10:49 pm (# Total: 64)
    Development Professional

    Enterprise Development

    Scott,

    I gave the web site a very very brief look.

    You might want to focus on Enterprise Development as a Partnership Area. Admittedly, America is the best place to learn about Entrepreneurship Development.

    I would like to request that, you focus on Pakistan also.

    Regards

    Kamran


    Cgasca - Oct 21, 2006 6:39 am (# Total: 64)
    Social Entreprenuer

    Calgary Kid's

    Brownbag, Why not do both? As nonprofits we easily put ourselves into either or suitations. Calgary, is pretty rich and I have not doubt you could raise the funds for both. The awareness building and the feeding of the kids. As you pointed out in your first post it all depends on what the stakeholders and your organization are willing to be open too. Good luck! Carlos


    tutormentor - Oct 21, 2006 7:01 am (# Total: 64)
    Cabrini Connections Tutor/Mentor Connection

    Building Trust, Networking with Purpose

    Charles,

    I'm in full agreement with you on the use of forums like this to expand your personal network and build trust and awareness essential for organizations to grow. At http://tutormentor.blogspot.com/2006/10/nobel-prize-giraffes-and-tutormentor.html I illustrate this concept and show how I'm connecting with others who want to create a better world.  By making time every week to add to conversations in a variety of related places, I'm connecting people who don't know each other, with me, and with people I know, who are represented as Links or participants in forums I host in Chicago, or on my own web site.

    It takes time to make this work. And it takes luck.  If you don't invest the time, it's not likely you'll have the luck.



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 21, 2006 1:36 pm (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    Re: [Tutormentor] Building Trust, Networking with Purpose

    Just a quick note to say thanks for the Giraffe link -- lots of highly interesting stuff there!


    scottbeale50 - Oct 24, 2006 5:22 pm (# Total: 64)
    Scott Beale, Founder, Atlas Corps www.atlascorps.org

    Issue and Georgraphic Areas for Atlas Corps

    Thanks Kamran and Charles,

    Kamran - I am focusing on the UN Millennium Development Goals, generally hunger, poverty, gender equity, health (AIDS), environment, etc.  I would consider an NGO leader who works on entrepreneurial issues or micro-fiance to be addressing poverty and would qualify.

    But let me clarify, this is NOT simply about teaching NGO leaders overseas best practices from America, it is also about teaching US nonprofits perspectives from aboad.

    I am starting with India and Colombia because these are countries where I have lived and worked, eventually we will be around the world, including Pakistan.

    Thanks!

    Scott Beale - http://www.atlascorps.org - scott@atlascorps.org

     



    CHRISDANIEL - Oct 24, 2006 7:23 pm (# Total: 64)
    PROF.DR.J.CHRISTOPHER DANIEL

    Become of a partner of GOODWILL-INDIA

    Dear friend:

    Greetings from GOODWILL. Please take a few moments to visit our website at http://mfcs.malianfoundation.org/goodwill/. You will get to know of our work in India on our website.

    As a member of “SOCIAL EDGE’ I  am pleased to contact you and introduce me to you as Executive Director of Goodwill Social Work Centre, Madurai, India .I am a former professor of Social work at Madurai Institute of Social Sciences, Madurai, India. I am VICE CONSUL of the First children's Embassy in the World Medjashi- Macedonia.. I am a Networker registered with the Global Links Initiative,UK(http://www.glinet.org). The Goodwill social work centre is an Indian Non Governmental organization registered under the Tamilnadu Societies Registration Act 1975 and Foreign Contributions Regulations Act 1976,Government of India in order to be eligible to receive grant funds from international funding organisations.Our Centre is a member of the World Association for Non-Governmental Organization(WANGO),USA. I am glad to let you know that our organization is included in the NGO database of the websites: http://www.idealist.org/ (Action without Borders), http://www.enscw.org/, http://www.euforic.org/  and http://www.charitynet.org/

     I have hosted an event/discussion on the website: www.socialedge.org (USA) on the subject ‘Emerging Non-profit- Business partnerships in India’, 26th September-10th October, 2006. It is archived at http://www.socialedge.org/Events/ThoughtLeaders/38.

    It is  so delightful to visit your website and to know of your organisation and its various activities. I learn from your website that you are working with NGOs in developing countries. Would you be interested in partnering with our organisation and providing any funding for taking up  any of the following development programmes for poor and disadvantaged children and youth in rural and urban areas in Madurai,South India.

    1.Children's Human Rights Training programmes  for  children, teachers, parents and civic action groups in Madurai, India.
    2.Family Support Services for Children (including working children, disabled children,children affected by HIV/AIDS and  'Children on the streets') in dysfunctional families (A holistic care approach to the families of disadvantaged children including Child sponsorship programme for school children).
    3. Holistic care and Non-formal employment training programmes for poor and disadvantaged youth,including disabled youth , Madurai,India.
    4. Environmental education and action programmes for children in villages(A project to promote environmental rights and action programme among children)
    5.Community Technology centres for children and young women in low and middle income communities.

     I would be very grateful for any help and support you might offer to our centre. I  shall send you further information on hearing from you.  Best regards.
     
    Prof. Dr.J.Christopher Daniel, M.A.Ph.D (social work)
    Executive Director
    Goodwill social work centre
    No; 5, <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">south street</st1:address></st1:Street> extension
    Singarayar colony
    Madurai-625 002, India



    Charles Cameron aka hipbone - Oct 24, 2006 7:46 pm (# Total: 64)
    HipBone Games / Rheingold Associates

    more on weaving networks

    I just ran across this on the National Coalition on Dialogue & Deliberation blog, and thought it related to some of the strands here...

    The source for what follows is http://thataway.org/index.php/?p=563



  • "Jack Richuitto suggests seven levels of network weaving we are capable of. Starting with the strongest and most involving and moving down, they are:

  • 7. Introducing A to B in person and offering a collaboration opportunity to get A and B off to a successful partnership
  • 6. Introducing A to B in person and following up with A and B to nurture connection
  • 5. Introducing A to B in person
  • 4. Introducing A to B in a conference call
  • 3. Introdu